StarForce causes 0/10 review for game
Angry Gamer has given Trackmania United a 0/10 for simply having StarForce copy protection. They say the game has good physics, track making and online play; however, the StarForce copy protection trumps all of that and causes the game to get an automatic nil. Angry gamer says, "This is simply us doing our job: making the games-buying public aware of what they're being offered."Apparently the company that produced Trackmania United didn't get the memo about StarForce copy protection being considered by many as malware. This isn't the first instance that a Trackmania title was linked to StarForce, we reported on a similar title having the controversial copy protection earlier this year. Other publishers have treated StarForce like a leper and stated many moons ago they'll no longer use it. Looks like Trackmania's publisher just doesn't see the same problem everyone else does.
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Psaakyrn @ Dec 12th 2006 10:23PM
That's not a game review then. You can have other points to go with it, but when one reviews a game, I expect the game to be reviewed, and not the other stuff that comes along with it.
Though granted, I wish more reviewers would talk about this extra stuff so that users would make a good purchase choice.
paralipsis @ Dec 12th 2006 10:33PM
That's the review for me. Starforce has been a deal breaker for me on at least one occasion with a game that I otherwise wanted to play (Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones).
Kudos to Angry Gamer.
O_o @ Dec 12th 2006 10:33PM
Starforce/10
Jesse Morrison @ Dec 12th 2006 10:40PM
What the hell is a hyperlink?
Ben Friesen @ Dec 12th 2006 11:03PM
Prince of Persia: Two Thrones has Starforce? No wonder my system screwed up after I installed that piece of crap (which I was never actually able to play, since it would crash the whole system whenever I tried to play the first level). This was, in case you were wondering, straight off the shelf onto a PC that has nothing pirated from any source.
GaryM @ Dec 12th 2006 11:04PM
That's a screed, not a review.
tekkenking @ Dec 12th 2006 11:14PM
to 1 and 7 :
if a game has so many bugs that it totally wrecks your system, doesn't that usually knock it's score down? same deal here, just that this time it's intentional.
todzillla @ Dec 12th 2006 11:17PM
read the article and i agree. starforce is a pain in the ass and the gamers need to speak out about this crap. A gamer donated his pc for testing and after trackamnia was installed and ran other games could not be run on the pc. This is absolutely unacceptable. If buying a game corrupts other games on your pc then i think legal actions should be taken. I wonder how many systems this happened to find it's place on(my guess is none because who the hell would buy this no name game), but if there happened to be alot of people could a class action lawsuit be possible
Shadow Hog @ Dec 12th 2006 11:24PM
I've installed Trackmania Sunrise on this here computer several months ago... and nothing. No problems. Period. I've heeded the warnings and everything, and don't plan on overdoing it with StarForce, but I'm not seeing the problems on this end.
Captain Spadge @ Dec 12th 2006 11:32PM
@10: The game being reviewed is Trackmania United, not Trackmania Sunrise. Sunrise may or may not have had Starforce (I don't know, I've never played it) but I'm guessing it didn't because your computer still works.
Shadow Hog @ Dec 12th 2006 11:36PM
It did. I've seen it listed on every site that lists Starforce games.
That said, chances are it's gotten worse since then, but I wouldn't know; I wasn't planning on getting United, anyway.
mike @ Dec 12th 2006 11:38PM
ohh for a second i thought it was a new ps3 game..
GaryM @ Dec 12th 2006 11:39PM
Trackmania Sunrise has StarForce. So does the original game.
I can only speak for myself, but StarForce has never caused any problems with my system, and I've played bunches of StarForce games: just use the driver removal tool and then use a no-CD crack. Problem solved. ;)
I don't like StarForce, but that's the price we have to pay for piracy.
Pal @ Dec 12th 2006 11:43PM
By the way...
Trackmania United was developed by Nadeo and published by Focus Home Interactive. Thought I'd give you a tip since you didn't seem to know ("the company that produced Trackmania United", "Trackmania's publisher").
...Right.
Dave @ Dec 12th 2006 11:47PM
Trackmania Sunrise does have Starforce copy protection, and as far as I could tell, Starforce hasn't been much of a problem for me. I even have the DVD version of Splinter Cell Chaos Theory with the Starforce copy protection as well, and I don't see what the fuss is about. The only problem I see Starforce cause is frustration amongst the pirating community. And considering Nadeo is located in the UK, the bad rep of Starforce circulating around gamers probably didn't reach them in time :P
snapperdragon @ Dec 12th 2006 11:51PM
There is a whole website devoted to telling the truth about starforce:
http://www.glop.org/starforce/list.php
mcheddadi @ Dec 12th 2006 11:51PM
starforce=hacker's worst nightmare, only way to make the damn thing work is unplugging your IDE cd-rom cable, and mounting a patched image, with daemon tools. Or using an external drive and and a burned patched image...
But there's always wallmart :)
phants @ Dec 13th 2006 12:01AM
Man, I was totally going to buy this game too. Starforce is a deal breaker - I will NOT allow that rubbish near my system. No Trackmania for me :(
fester @ Dec 13th 2006 12:16AM
Starfarced games deserve ZERO, it's a consumers/reviewers only ammo in the fight against pervasive DRM. Now i dont mind normal protection, CDkeys and what have you but Starforce (and what it could do to your system) was a bridge too far.
They will loose many more sales by having starforce in games than they would have to pirates in the first place!
wildweasel @ Dec 13th 2006 12:27AM
I bought the original TrackMania, not knowing what StarForce was. And now, even though TrackMania freaking owns, StarForce is a complete disaster. I installed that on an older system (2004-era, Windows XP), and soon enough, it was unable to burn CD's. Period. Not through Nero, Alcohol 120, or even Winamp. Every attempt would cause it to hang the system and turn the blank disc into a silicon coaster.
WASDman @ Dec 13th 2006 12:39AM
re:16
You don't know the big deal because you've luckily never had problems with it. I once spent 2 hours installing and reinstalling, trying every suggestion they give me trying to get a game I purchased to work and having starforce tell me I can't run the game because I'm trying to steal it. Also had problems with another title running starforce but eventually got it to work, the first one i gave up and returned it, bought the game on Direct-2-drive, and enjoyed it.
WASDman @ Dec 13th 2006 12:41AM
another important point, crippleware copy protection only hurts legitimate users, pirates break or circumvent the protection, only the real users have to deal with it. (starforce is no exception)
cos @ Dec 13th 2006 1:22AM
I'm so sad for my 5 year old.
He saw Hydro Thunder available in the store as an Arcade Classic, in a compilation... I was happy to buy it for him and have it legitimately (No - I don't want some illegal MAME/emulator install - I would like to legitimately own it).
I took it home, sat with him while it installed -- and it refused to work. Starforce is incompatible with Windows Vista. What can I do??????
He doesn't understand at all - I feel bad for him...
I really wish PC games worked like, I hate to say it, but Windows Product Activation... Just PLEASE install once, FINE, call the mothership - then let me USE IT without ever needing the disc again... It's currently the worst of both worlds, you have to install this draconian crap on your machine and THEN YOU STILL NEED THE FREAKIN DISC every time!!! ARGH!!!
Ouch. @ Dec 13th 2006 1:48AM
You know- that's better.
We don't need hackers, losers, people who don't actually go out and buy the damn thing and whine about it all day- to play online with the people who thought shelling out 50 bucks for such a great, big game with so much content that it at least TRIPLES Need For Speed with a transparent verification process is a baad idea.
So much, suckers! (United's February release in EU/US has no SF by the way, and the digital download version doesn't even touch your CD-drives, but I wonder why I mind telling you suckers in the first place)
mountain_rage @ Dec 13th 2006 2:17AM
Ya news to all those who said that Starforce prevents piracy. Chances are starforce is stripped long before the ripped copy hits the internet so the pirates don't even have to deal with the headaches of starforce. At least any decent rip would have it stripped. Most pirates aren't stupid, the good ones know just as much if not more about computers then the game creators.
awa64 @ Dec 13th 2006 2:52AM
If a game can possibly cripple and permanently (physically!) damage your computer, it DESERVES a 0/10. Even if it's the best game of all time.
Judge @ Dec 13th 2006 3:28AM
Trackmania Sunrise had Starforce. Never, ever gave me a damn problem.
Angry-Gamer.net @ Dec 13th 2006 4:33AM
Thanks everyone for their comments about the story. The point I was really trying to make more than anything else is that gamers need to be told of the potential dangers - some people have no problems at all with StarForce on their system, some dont, fair enough - and that game reviewers have a responsibility to talk about this.
As for not knowing who the publisher was - it's indeed a Focus game in certain territories, but not all of them, so I made it "generic". Sorry for the confusion.
RedStar @ Dec 13th 2006 6:35AM
I have not played a couple splinter cell games that i have (pandora and chaos theory) because i found out it had starforce protection..
I bought gt legends..not knowing it had starforce protection. I found out before installation. Now gt is a great game of collecting dust.
So yes..any game that has starforce should get a 0/10!! Especially for the ones that never mention what type of copy protection they are using!
*it was nice of ubisoft to drop starforce protection. It would be nice if they removed it on their older games.
RedStar @ Dec 13th 2006 6:52AM
also read this on what game developers think --esp after a starforce guy provided a link so that people could pirate galatic civilizations 2 (starforce people have also created a fake website to spread some misinformation and well basic viral marketing really) :
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/galacticcivilizations2/news.html?sid=6146001
When i read this + the fact that galatic civilizations 2 has NO copy protection ...i rushed out and bought it!
Now to those people who feel there is no trouble with starforce on their systems(no hardware malfunctions), ask yourself this question:
Are you really comfortable with non-essential software that gives itself ring 0 privilege and hackers a way in!!?
I would imagine you know about the dangers of the sony rootkit by now :)
Florent from Nadeo @ Dec 13th 2006 7:17AM
The reviewer did not reboot his computer after install because TrackMania, for the first time with United, does not install starforce drivers: the single biggest reason of anti starforce people. It is a lite version used only to protect the exe file from hack.
Previously, we have put starforce on a free game to avoid cheating and not to avoid free game piracy! Anti cheat is goog for gamers, even more when it install no drivers and browse nothing on your hard drive like TrackMania United. There, I can't see how this could happen.
People like to shout for cause and it is great, but they should shout carefully or they are lowering the effectiveness of others. Look at software patent or console concept approval problems instead of "I want a cr4ck and st4rf0rce is t00 b4d for m3" buzz.
Now, they should look at their PC why they have a problem. I sincerely wish they find it. If TM causes this too. I am SO interested to learn how and to fix it. There is millions of TM players all over the world and I read tens of thousands of players in the forums, and no previous player I know from the community had this kind of problem so far.
Cheers!
Florent from Nadeo
TJ @ Dec 13th 2006 7:54AM
Got Sunrise when it came out and no problems.
Got Nations when it came out and few problems.
Was in the United beta which came with the online activation version of Starforce, that caused me nothing BUT problems and Starforce was the reason my friends and I didn't/won't buy the game.
Allen Varney @ Dec 13th 2006 8:28AM
The discussion about StarForce always centers on piracy, but the real issue should be the publishers' assumed right to shove anything they want onto our computers without telling us. I wrote about this in a recent Escapist article, "StarForce Must Die":
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/72/4
Florent from Nadeo @ Dec 13th 2006 8:33AM
we made the beta with 4000 players, most of them from the forums. While we had reports on bugs, none of this happened in the french forum. Anyway, the beta is behind and we are talking of the box edition of TrackMania United which include starforce withtout drivers, unless TrackMania Sunrise. A game that received 82% on metacritic by the way with no comments on anything like that.
To Allen: TrackMania United starforce version install no additionnal file. You are making the same mistake.
to Joystiq: please consider the angry-gamer.net style. It is not a critic to them, they like to flame, and I think it is funny to do so. But when the man says it is 0/10 because one of his friends has a PC problem, it is a little like this review where they give 8,042,118 / 1,000,000 to mad tracks because they played 5 good minutes. The way Joystiq put this is a somewhat different.
DJ @ Dec 13th 2006 9:10AM
Obviously some of you don't know the difference between a "REVIEW" and a "SCORE".
They REVIEWED the game. They explained what was good and bad about the game. The text part is the "REVIEW".
AND they gave the game a score it deserved for the overall experience of the game.
Then they gave the game a well deserved SCORE of ZERO.
Any other score is irresponsible, since a person might glance at the score only and accidentally buy the game and be horribly screwed over by the STARFORCE DRM.
If I purchase a game that's really fun for 30 minutes at a time, but then eventually crashes my computer or opens it up to Trojans (DELIBERATELY no less) later... that game DESERVES A SCORE OF ZERO. END OF STORY.
Rob @ Dec 13th 2006 9:15AM
Florent:
If a game requires admin to install or run, it does not get purchased.
If a single player game requires any (direct) network access at all, it does not get purchased.
Crap like StarForce and Steam is why I bought a Mac and now do all my gaming on consoles.
Florent from Nadeo @ Dec 13th 2006 9:28AM
Only DirectX requires rights for install.
The single player game does not require any network access at all even if the solo can benefit for the regionnal rankings. So, go play on your console games made by software patent company leaders that like to control everything and develop DRM.
DJ, you do the same mistake: it is starforce without drivers. And you proove again that many people that post don't even understand why.
Cheers
Yukeake @ Dec 13th 2006 9:37AM
Starforce (in any form) is the rough equivalent of a giant flashing neon sign attached to the game, reading "DON'T BUY ME!" (IMHO, of course)
I will *never* buy a Starforce-"protected" game. I don't want it anywhere near my systems.
Florent from Nadeo @ Dec 13th 2006 9:39AM
For me, it is the perfect neon to keep away some people having dumb behavior from the community.
Thanks
Rob @ Dec 13th 2006 10:11AM
Florent:
Gee, you seem to imply DRM is bad, yet you use DRM. What's the word for that? Oh yeah, hypocrite.
A computer is a general purpose device. I expect a full inventory of what something does before installing it, since there are multiple things on it, *nothing* gets full access. Too many things assume they can run roughshod over me (see: StarForce, Steam, BF2142...) get the finger.
And your software runs under Windows, by *gasp* one of those patent leaders in the console space, so you're just as restricted.
KaneRobot @ Dec 13th 2006 10:31AM
"That's not a game review then. You can have other points to go with it, but when one reviews a game, I expect the game to be reviewed, and not the other stuff that comes along with it."
Wrong.
Your school of thought is it's not a review unless it has a number attached to it. The post SAYS "they say the game has good physics, track making and online play."
This is what we're getting now with the "gamerankings" generation of gamers. Someone could write the most eloquent review of a game ever, but if they didn't fall into the habit of sticking a number at the top of it, it would be ignored. Sad.
That little number you see is supposed to be a suppliment to the text, not an all-encompassing summary of it.
Matt_M @ Dec 13th 2006 10:35AM
I agree that Starforce is bad news. In fact, this is exactly what I would hope for from a review from legit gamers- standing up against something that causes active harm to your computer.
But Trackmania isn't a "no name game" by a long shot. If it weren't for Starforce I'd say go check out Trackmania Nations (free, but has Starforce).
Rob @ Dec 13th 2006 10:48AM
Am I the only one seeing "Derek Lite" in Florent?
Florent from Nadeo @ Dec 13th 2006 10:58AM
You see Rob, the neon is working. Matt_M can not make the difference between starforce and starforce lite. It is probably the same way you understand Linux>windows>consoles but with a quite hypocrite
attitude, make like if you dont. I would really like to develop on Linux if it was easier to succeed with it with my limited brain: make games, sell games. But I still have to wait a little for Linux to be a gaming
platform for our company.
Rob @ Dec 13th 2006 11:14AM
Florent,
Have you tried reading my posts? Like the one that said "Mac" and not "Linux"?
I don't want to waste time worrying about games screwing up my system, nor do I want to waste time doing much low level admin. Your attitude towards customers shows that I am still wise in staying away from computer gaming. I can't trust the developers, in either their cavalier attitude toward my computer, nor in their competency.
Florent from Nadeo @ Dec 13th 2006 11:28AM
You are using Mac from Apple, and what?
Maybe you need it more simple: TrackMania United use starforce lite. This is a version without drivers, the single biggest critic made to this system.
Now, if you want to keep away from computer gaming, no problem. You may just miss real big network, creation tools and more community integration to a game.
Nighty @ Dec 13th 2006 11:29AM
do you people read what florent says ? it's starforce lite, just a cd check. why do you people do not talk about securom ? it's working in the same way as starforce does...
OH wait i get it! securom is owned every single time by RELOADED so no probleme here i guess ;)
happy not to have you starforce haters in the community, please continue your crusade, in the mean time we enjoy our game even more.
Jason Ballew @ Dec 13th 2006 11:51AM
Just to inform people, we at Gaming Trend also are rather outspoken in our stand against Starforce, and its effect on player's PCs as well as just the concept behind it. Due to this, we give any game we review 10% off the top if it has Starforce (reflected in our value section).
So, if you've got the best game in the world, but it has Starforce, the best you can hope for is a 90. Luckily for our readers, many Starforce-enabled games ... wouldn't get the best scores to begin with.
And yes, luckily, publishers are getting the message.
Aden Nak @ Dec 13th 2006 11:56AM
If I could give it a -10/10 I would. This kind of crap is completely unacceptable, and content producers are going to have to reach one of two conclusions about piracy:
1) Accept that a certain amount of piracy will take place because not everyone obeys the law.
2) Quit producing media.
Yeah, it'd be nice if there were a way to completely stop piracy, but you can't. It will never happen. Should they go after companies and groups that are making a profit off of their hard work by reselling the game? Absolutely. Should they cripple every machine the game is run on under the delusion that they are preventing piracy? Absolutely not.
These solutions don't stop ANY piracy. They just piss off people who actually purchased the game legally. Or, if you prefer, you can listen to Tycho of Penny Arcade fame:
"All of this confusion for paying customers, so that pirates will be detained an additional fifteen minutes before they descend, their scythes awhirl." - Tycho
doubtful @ Dec 13th 2006 11:56AM
Add me to the masses who have been driven to console gaming because of crap like this.
Nadeo, It doesn't matter how many times you say it's Starforce Lite, or it doesn't have drivers, etc. It doesn't matter. It still supports Starforce and enables them to continue to make PC crippling malware.
Support them all you want, just don't be surprised and angry and defensive when gamers choose not to support you.